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Did your parents talk about civic engagement, patriotism, etc.? Well, not so much civic engagement, but I just grew up thinking the USA was the place where I still think it is.

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And we played a lot of US Army stuff, so I had always respect for the services, maybe not the mission, but the guys on the front.

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And I think of civic engagement, and I think my parents lived that in the various organizations that they belonged to and got me involved in.

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And I realized I forgot to mention in my high school years, I was in something called Job's Daughters, which was tied to the masons and doing community work.

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And I did things too with other organizations. And I think they just the way my parents lived by being focused on good works and other people in their lives.

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They kind of drug me along or instilled that in me to do those same kinds of things. And maybe that's why I had a strong feeling to get back into the high-touch industry or to get into that in later life, because that felt good to me to be connected to something bigger.

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Yeah, we didn't really do much of that. My dad became a big Rotarian as time went on.

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But I never did a whole lot of community service or anything. It was reading, writing, rhythmics and playing the trumpet.

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I was the first woman, first female in Rotary and Carter Springs. And that was, boy, I'll tell you, breaking through that, there were men, it was the East with Carter Springs Rotary.

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Jim McGuire was in that. He was not helping me, my cause.

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Was he me? He was.

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I mean, he wanted me there, but he would say odd things. But it was hard.

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It was hard to be there with all these men. I had earned my way there by virtue of the Rotary being a sponsor of the Cystic Fibrosis Foundation.

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And so the work that I had done for that in conjunction with them on a variety of events got them to invite me.

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And in fact, before I was even a Rotarian, they had given me this award called the Paul Harris Award.

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I didn't know much about it and I didn't realize at the time we went to that little dinner where they presented that to me.

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And it's usually given to someone who's made a substantial donation that year to the Rotary. And some of the members made that donation in my honor, which was amazing.

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And then they invited me to be a member. And I had fun doing that.

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I met a lot of nice people. Yeah, you had some, the guy that was the big time insurance, or not insurance, but...

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Oh, I remember meeting Mel, who was the driver. He was a former sheriff.

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What was his name? Mel Stratton.

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Yeah. Oh yeah, Neil Stratton.

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Neil Stratton, David. Yeah.

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A lot of good guys. A lot of good guys.

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But there were, I'd say, five or six. That's actually where we got our first beanie baby was at a Rotary Christmas party.

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Kids came and they had little treats and it was a white dog with black on it, beanie baby. And that was the, I think it was probably the first year they came out.

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And who thought of that in the Rotary? Wasn't me, but somebody's, somebody got it.

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And that's where we got our first beanie baby was through Rotary. So it's too bad, you know, Al U-Hault was in that.

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I don't know if you knew Al at that point. I don't think he was in the East, was he?

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Oh yeah. He was big time East.

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He was big time East Rotary. He was pals with all those big fish.

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And I can't imagine Al would be against you because Debbie would have shot him. There were several men that were not pleased, but you know what?

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They lived through it. So and I'm grateful to that experience.

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Yeah. Yeah, there was some nice, I can't think of, I can see me in black hair.

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It was real nice. Dave Winter is probably what you're thinking of.

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Yeah, I think it was. Barbara Winter's husband.

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Yeah. Yeah.

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Good guy. Did you have any memorable 4th of July traditions or experiences?

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Well, you got it. Yeah, we did.

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We've talked about that. About the at Chalet Blue and Brecker Beach and the Julep March.

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Julep March flags, plain songs and people getting too drunk. That was pretty patriotic.

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It was very patriotic. It was very moving.

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Very moving. Yeah.

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And I know we did things with my family, but I can't get the roller decks part of my brain to say what they were.

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Yeah, other than watching fireworks at Sherr Hills Country Club. That was always pretty striking.

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Set off some stuff. Yeah.

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Okay. Do you think life is easier or harder for kids these days compared to when you were growing up?

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Oh, I think. Go ahead.

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It's different. And I think it's harder in one respect because there's so much more information.

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We didn't have to know all this stuff when we were little. There's just the explosion of information, internet and just global information.

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We were more sequestered. Kind of your town and your state and a little bit of the US.

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More of the country. But it was so much a smaller sphere of what you needed to be knowing about and involved with.

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And that's not the case. You've got to be with the internet, everything more aware.

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Social media. And I think that is harder.

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There's a lot more pressure. Pure pressure and online pressure and chat room pressure and stuff we never knew about.

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Didn't know about. You know, I think it is harder.

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It's really, it is a lot harder and it's just, I don't know if it's going to keep exponentially getting harder.

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I don't know that it can get that, but who knows. I'm probably stupid in that way.

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Yeah, bullying used to be just people at your school would bully you. But now this online stuff is just.

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I think work life is harder. I think it's harder because you're remote or not remote and managing that life.

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The little kids, I think just, you know, you don't have free play time because remember our moms didn't work.

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So we came home from school and we could just free play. The summers were free play.

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We weren't in a lot of clubs or we weren't scheduled and it was just, it was easy. It was, it was just relaxed.

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Much more relaxed. More spontaneous.

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And I think it's not that way now. It's just, we didn't have day, you and I never went other than me going to that preschool and Tripoli, Libya where they spoke Italian, me and the British kid.

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That was like, what? But other than that, we were home kids.

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You know, and I don't really feel like there was a keeping up with the Joneses as much when we were growing up at all.

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I think there was some. I don't, I don't remember feeling that, but maybe I was ignorant to it.

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But I just feel like there's just so much pressure on kids and adults alike. So I guess that's all.

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The answer is harder. Yeah, I would say harder.

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Plus there's so much more known. Oh yeah.

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I mean, I marvel at my colleagues that how much more is known scientifically about veterinary medicine and all that stuff now that they had four years.

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So they had to get some of what I got and then they had to get all this new stuff. And I've had to keep paying dues all along.

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In every field. Every field you think about is there's more information.

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I reflect back on these encyclopedias that are my grandfathers. And I've got to go back and look at the date, but I think they're from the 1920s.

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And you pick a topic and look at that and read it and go, wow, it's, you know, a tenth of what we now know in that field.

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And it just is mind boggling the advances that we have, some good, some bad, but definitely more difficult.

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What single invention has had the biggest impact on your life? Well I thought of a funny one.

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And you kind of liked it. What was that?

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I forget. The handheld hairdryer.

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Oh yeah. It's a blow dryer.

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Blow dryer. Yeah, we're talking about.

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It didn't have the biggest impact, but I was trying to think of inventions. I've got to pull out and show you girls my portable hooded hairdryer.

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It's in the crawl space and we'll get it out and show you what, and I took it to college even in what you sat under, sat under like at the beauty parlor to dry your hair.

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Otherwise, and you rarely just let it dry naturally. That was not what was going to happen.

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And so they. It was about the junior year of vet school, whatever year that was, the fall.

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Where I got one. The fall, somebody came out with this little orange handheld blower with the little combi brush, not a brush, just a combi thing.

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Oh that, okay. Yeah.

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And I can't think of the name of it. But you got that and that was like the new pre-conair.

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That was the new magic. I mean, whoever sold that, it came out in the department stores and pretty quick you couldn't buy them and everybody had to have one.

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It was the Christmas gift of the year. Oh God.

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It was like all the girls in vet school had them, everybody just go buy them. And it was revolutionary.

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It's hard to imagine. It's a silly thing.

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It's a silly thing. Well, the microwave was real functional.

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Color TV was functional. Yeah.

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But yeah. But something that you used every day as a woman or frequently, it really changed how you could get ready.

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Get ready. Yeah.

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And I'll say, I remember our freshman year of college, slide rules. This is what I was going to go next, yep.

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Slide rules. And my buddy Claybourne, one of my food service pals from day one, we started living together sophomore year.

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But man, Claybourne was like the first dude to have the Texas Instruments calculator. Yep.

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I forget the model. But that was revolutionary.

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But CU and their egalitarian way said, you can't use them on tests. And so I had this big K and E slide rule from my dad.

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And he showed me how to use it some. And then Claybourne was a whiz.

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And he said, Jeff, A, you look like an engineer nerd if you walk around with this on your hip.

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So he showed me this cool little round one that could do everything and it fit in your pocket.

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So you didn't have to have a pen, you know, in Boulder those days. And he was a double E. You had a pen protector and a whole bunch of pens.

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And then this monster slide rule as big as a two by four. This white slide rule.

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Oh, a lot of them. Mine was white.

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A lot of, yeah. The cheaper ones were white.

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Oh, I guess I had a change. The engineer ones were better.

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Those K and E ones were yellow. Oh, I didn't have a yellow.

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A lot of them were the K and E. The K and E ones were yellow and they were a little bigger, probably so you could do more stuff.

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Oh. You could do way more stuff.

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I mean, they built the 747 on a slide rule. I know.

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And that sucker's still flying. So he paid, I think, $275 for that first Texas instrument calculator.

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And then guess what? After that came out, the HP business or whatever it was.

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So I remember working at HP then. Blue TI out of the water.

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I was in Fort Collins. No, I was down here by then.

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So it was 1980 and we could get a deal on a personal computer. I don't know what was it.

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The first you got this calculator in this business calculator. Yeah, I still have my business calculator.

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I still have three of them. I love them.

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I think I had, it was like the 21 C or something. I don't know what it was.

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And we talked about buying it because we could get this deal. Oh, yeah.

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No, we looked at them. Well, we needed to do a program.

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You better not have this little screen like this. And we went, this is going to be awful.

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We don't know how to do this. We can't do anything.

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This is silly. It was terrible.

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And it had some funny little game on it. I remember you brought one home.

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Oh, God, I went, I'm not buying this even though we could get a great deal for it. We'll never figure this out.

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I think it needs to go out. So I think those were-- So those calculators were-- --than personal computers, huge.

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Yeah. Yeah, I think those were-- Cordless drills.

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Amen. Yeah, I don't know.

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And the hair dryer. But that orange hair dryer, we got to look it up because I distinctly remember when you got that, it's gotch pines apart.

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Oh, gosh. And you were just like over the frigging moon.

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It saved you a lot of time. I know.